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 Post subject: AF Alpha Learn (LHS)
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:02 pm 
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KA24DE

What is this?
Is there an ideal number or percentage that you wanna be at?
Is this some sort of fuel trim learn?


Is this related?
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If so I think this would be a good way of confirming or dialing in your k constant? yes or no?

Also found this I though was interesting, have you seen this before:

http://notes.ump.edu.my/fkee/e-Books/Au ... er%202.pdf

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Sorry for all teh questions


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I also have a suggestion, the way Nistune shows the numbers or (values) and percentages of the AF Alpha Learn (LHS) seems to be backwards:

Should they show like so below:

0 <> 128 <> 255 = value

+100% <> 0% <> -100% = # of Percentage

For instance in play back mode, the player displays 0-255 as percentages........shoudn't it show +100% threw -100% as the percentage?

Either way 0% or 128 value should be the the goal or target to reach right?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:02 pm 
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I've heard of people using the trims to check K value but I've never used it myself. Could be worth looking into!

I tend to just set the low load values in the fuel table to "0", turn O2 sensing off and adjust K until AFR's are around stoichiometric.

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I have been playing with this alot more lately and I like it. Basically yoru combination of Injection Multiplier and Injection Latency determine your fuel trim and ofcourse you need to have a good working NBO2 sensor.

This really seems to help getting good throttle tip-in when you get your fuel trim to "128".


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I have spoken to other guys who use this as an indication of how close their K constant is to right. Makes sense. Must start using it myself....

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im a nissan tech. That diagram is given 2 all techs on a magnet u put on ur tool box after u finish obd2 class. And r obd2 certifide. It's sole porpus is long term short term fuel trim and keeping the cat happy, but it's not gonna give you power.
It helps find drivability problems: bad airflow meter, fuel pump, intake air leaks, bad injector.


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im a nissan tech. That diagram is given 2 all techs on a magnet u put on ur tool box after u finish obd2 class. And r obd2 certifide. It's sole porpus is long term short term fuel trim and keeping the cat happy, but it's not gonna give you power.
It helps find drivability problems: bad airflow meter, fuel pump, intake air leaks, bad injector.


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and incorrect Latency and Multiplier settings, I notice the car just drives alot better in closed loop with more "perfect" fuel trims, but it is ignored in open loop. I find it helps with gas milage also. I guess it could also help you diagnoise individual injectors problems to.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:56 am 
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Found this good read, even though its OBDII its still appplicable I think.


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Thank you very much for the PDF!


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